Posts by raymond frantz

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We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

by DT in

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i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

raymond frantz

Hi DT ,can you explain these points ?

"The Governing Body could face some serious legal challenges if they ever tried to punish those who never joined their coup. A religion doesn't have the right to punish nonmembers. The Mormons have gotten into trouble for this very thing, so there is a precedent.

There is one very useful thing that this rival group could accomplish. They could process letters of disassociation. I would recommend that they keep the identities of those who disassociate private, but they could send them a letter saying that the request has been approved. This letter could be used to threaten legal action against any elders who represent the Governing Body and try to punish them in any way, including an announcement that is intended to get the congregation to shun them."

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We Need A Group Of Anointed To Challenge The Governing Body

by DT in

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friends

i believe that a coup is one of the governing body's worst nightmares.. imagine a splinter group led by anointed ones that draw off enough of a following to cause confusion about who is directing the organization.. this may be one of the reasons the governing body removed the special status of the anointed and placed it on an organizational arrangement that they just happen to occupy.. the irony is that this action is a coup in itself.

by declaring themselves leaders in complete control of the organization, they have created a rival group composed of those who disagree.

these people have no obligation to follow these newly self appointed leaders.

raymond frantz

I think this is an excellent idea .Remember this is not 1916 ,you don't need big bucks to organise a movement these days ,only an Internet connection and a website ,then you need to start something long overdue :THE PARTAKING OF THE EMBLEMS in a MASSIVE SCALE .You can't be disfellowshiped for partaking and that will show to us who is part of the movement .We know now that we're all going to heaven great crowd and 144,000 so nothing to worry there .That will be stage 1

Stage 2 :We send letters to our congragations that we disfelowship the current GB for apostasy

There is a lot of resentment now amongst the ranks and probably is the best time for that

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Was Jesus Black?

by raymond frantz in

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was jesus black?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usshb28andq .

raymond frantz

Was Jesus black?http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Usshb28aNdQ

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Most solid evidence I've seen linking WT to Mason, somebody try to debunk this lol

by EndofMysteries in

what is in the background?????.

now read what was released and given to all convention attenders about the building of his gravesite, about what's inside it, and about who owns all the land.

from the book called souvenir report of the bible student's convention jan. 2-5, 1919 link:.

raymond frantz

He never said he was a Mason ,but he used Masonic Symbols ,thought as a Mason and structured Jehovah's Witnesses as a Freemasonic Pyramid ,from which we still suffer opression from the leaders today .How cares if he had real ties ,the ideology and symbols survive today .Deception lies and power distribution in the form of a pyramid....

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Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

by Sauerkraut in

a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

they like to quote him in publications.

so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

raymond frantz

I got it many thanks

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Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

by Sauerkraut in

a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

they like to quote him in publications.

so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

raymond frantz

Could you please email me the scan to [email protected] and then I will put it on my website www.new-jw.org .Many thanks!

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Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

by Sauerkraut in

a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

they like to quote him in publications.

so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

raymond frantz

Saurkraut !!!

Could you please make this letter an attachment so we can all download and keep for our archives ?

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Jason BeDuhn regarding Revelation 7 and the Great Crowd

by Sauerkraut in

a while ago i sent an e-mail to jason beduhn, that the society is quite fond of.

they like to quote him in publications.

so when i started researching the great crowd and the accuracy of the earthly hope doctrine i thought i might write him and ask him what the exact meaning of "before the throne" (revelation 7:9) and "temple" (7:15) is.

raymond frantz

Thank you so much for sharing .This is an amazing find from a scholar the WT respects and quotes 17 times in recent years

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Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

by Recovery in

jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

raymond frantz

" Νηψων ανομηματα μη μοναν ωψην " this is for you RECOVERY and your GB idol ,when you learn Greek one day you will learn what that means and how to use it .You can read it backwards and forwards the same

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Jwfacts-- More Lies But This Time About The Great Crowd

by Recovery in

jwfacts has an article that explains why the great crowd must be in heaven.

i am also aware that many of these are the same arguments that stemmed from the 'awakenings at bethel' so my statements are not simply attacks of jwfact's character (since these arguments are probably not original) but rather his copy and paste of what others have said instead of verifying it as 'fact' for himself.. so here are jwfacts arguments:.

1. he shows that russell and rutherford (at some point) believed that the great crowd were in heaven.. 2. each term that describes the great crowd of revelation 7 is else used to described the anointed by the wt.

raymond frantz

If someone is in heaven and serves inside the temple of God which is in heaven "εν τω ναω" what dramatic evidence can you provide for the opposite?Why don't you just admit the truth ? The one that 99.99% of other christian denominations know already ?That the great crowd is a heavenly group of spritual creatures and that the only reason the WT wants them on earth SO desperately is to support their "clergy" class of which only 9 have the special priviledge of changing doctrine whereas the rest of the "anointed " on earth are non existant or not consulted in any way. This has been the most upseting twisted doctrine that stops 7,5 million partaking of the emblems every year and making a mockery of Jesus memorial .Get over it we're only going to heaven (hopefully without Antony Morris and co ,who are going to hell ,and that is a fact)